“Second, there’s a bit of a discrepancy that’s addressed somewhat towards the end about what constitutes lolicon; about how prevalent the themes have to be for it to be considered “bad.” THAT OF COURSE ACCEPTS THE UNSPOKEN HIGHER LEVEL PREMISE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ETHICALLY BAD-EITHER ARTISTICALLY OR MORALLY- ABOUT IT. While for the reasons above lolicon themes may be ethically wrong to condone BECAUSE THEY ENCOURAGE LAZY AND ARTISTICALLY DEVOID WORKS INSTEAD OF WORKS OF GENUINE VALUE (though this viewpoint is also easily assailable), it’s far more questionable whether lolicon is something inherently morally wrong.”

The discussion that the guys were having makes it very clear that the type of thing they’re discussing is works that portray underaged and prepubescent characters in a sexual manner for the purposes of titillating the audience; it’s blatantly made for an audience that wants to see little girls portrayed in a sexually exciting manner, because it turns them on.

Just so I’m clear: are you saying that there is NOT something bad about the sexual exploitation of child characters? That the problem with building your shows around making sure men who get off on little girls get there rocks off is that it might not be artistically inspired enough, and not that there is some moral threshold that is crossed by creating works whose primary or sole purpose is to appease the urges of people who want to have sex with children?

The receptionist from Trapeze. Due to the mixed media animation style, I think they actually have a photograph of her in there somewhere…

Anyone from a Studio 4C anime. The manager from Detroit Metal City is always a favorite (especially if you have two burly friends!) ^_^

One of the female characters from Usagi Drop would be a nice change of pace, although as a “slice of life” anime, I suppose most of the costumes aren’t very striking. (Not the little girl!)

Yuka or Rie from Kemonozume.

I enjoy disagreement too, for both alternative points of view and the conflict. But I only enjoy conflict if it’s something that I’m not involved in. In other words, it’s only funny if it’s not something that I care about (ie arguments on Twilight forums are hilarious, because both sides are equally stupid and it’s a pointless debate. Pass the popcorn). If it’s something I actually care about, then listening to alternative points of view is actually interesting and constructive.

We’re all presented with stuff we overlook. It happens. “No one’s perfect”, as the old (and rather cheesy) saying goes…

I love disagreement and controversy… Not because of the drama it may stir, but because I get to see topics from alternative points of view. Often, conflicting perspective is skewed by a muddy lens. But every now and then, I’m presented with something I may have overlooked.

But you probly hear that all the time (the old “if you don’t like it don’t watch it” thing). So… Yeah. Plus, I found it entertaining even if I did disagree with (some of) it. I actually enjoy reading/watching/listening to stuff that challenges my preferences/beliefs/worldview/whatever you wanna call it, so… Another good show. I figure it’s alright to disagree about shit.

Incidentally, I don’t whack off to this or any other anime. Or any other work of fiction at all, for that matter. But that’s none of your business. Also, what’s so bad about needing help? Everyone does sometimes. And not every girl in Clannad needs/gets help from “homeboy”, as you called him (I did find that somewhat funny). Oh well, it’s all nitpicking anyways. I still enjoy your show, and I’ll just agree to disagree about this one and move on. I have better things to do than start a flame war over something as trivial as this.

Crap! I can’t believe we forgot Sailor Moon! I would have totally covered that one.

It feels only yesterday that my first episodes of listening to you guys was that California Crisis one because I knew who you guys where at Animazement ’10.

I figured if anything, I thought you guys would have covered Sailor Moon episode 100.

How is your New site or is it this site page,,,,

The Page name + Your name,not find in goggel,….

you can sent mi the Addy?

Nice Pic,my girfirend,She make Taki from Soulcalibur,and maby Cammy too.

THX for help,Cu Howerang & Taki (chris and Stella )

Here is that video you were talking about: http://blip.tv/the-spoony-experiment/shadowrun-the-squirt-gun-wars-5626470

That dog was the most entertaining thing to watch.

That pretty much sums up how I feel. Also that’s how you do a discussion, fair and non judgmental.

However, I do notice some consistent and pervasive problems with some of the arguments, and because I don’t honestly expect a lolicon to give a sound defense (and also because I need to study for my ethics final), I’ll play devil’s advocate here.

First, while lolicon themes are more likely to appear in shows that exist for their sake, it does not follow that all shows in which these themes appear are bad. Merely, it greatly increases the chances it will be. The existence of an example of this is purely hypothetical, but it’s still a problem.

Second, there’s a bit of a discrepancy that’s addressed somewhat towards the end about what constitutes lolicon; about how prevalent the themes have to be for it to be considered “bad.” That of course accepts the unspoken higher level premise that there is something ethically bad – either artistically or morally – about it. While for the reasons above lolicon themes may be ethically wrong to condone because they encourage lazy and artistically devoid works instead of works of genuine value (though this viewpoint is also easily assailable), it’s far more questionable whether lolicon is something inherently morally wrong. While none of the arguments here necessarily require that, it was very strongly implied as an unspoken premise in Cody’s arguments.

There are also problems here concerning the slippery slope argument, which (if you don’t immediately toss it out as a logical fallacy) would need to rely upon actual physiological and psychological facts to make work in a serious debate. Claiming that lolicon is pedophilia by including it in your definition is just a matter of semantics, but claiming that they are two discreet but related concept, and then arguing that one leads to another, is making a claim about human psychology.

It’s not a serious debate though, so nobody really gives a shit. Like I said, fun stuff as always. Keep up the good work.